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Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By punisher
8/08/2016 4:47 pm
tosu wrote:
Enough with the trade police. I'm not a big trader but just be busy about your own business and not so meddling.

We have a commissioner and don't need a bunch of rent-a-cops running around like they are some self- appointed gauge for the world of MFN.

I find this thread and the hypocritical fair play threads to be asinine. When I make a trade, I am out to improve my team, not make the other team better. The latter is the other owners responsibility. Anyone who has stated otherwise is either lying or stupid.

Right now the game is fun but with the thought processes here, that will soon end if some of you have your way.
Simply put, shut up and play



That's the problem with people that really they aught to be careful what they wish for.

there is a reason that the be careful what you wish for is used .

They may want change now but once the admin does something to change the trades they might dislike it.

really it has also been said you don't know what you have until you lose it.

Also I really doubt people would want a PUBLIC trade viewing because I would think if you do have that then really every trade would be accepted or rejected by the community or the league which means people wouldn't be able to REJECT the trade themselves and they could very well lose a player who they DRAFTED or signed from FREE AGENCY to someone who just sent a trade to get that player then all they would need to do is get enough people on the same page with them and they would get that player.

And I really doubt this community or anyone in the community would be thrilled about those prospects if they lost a player they just drafted or got from the free market to someone else.

Basically relying on the community for approving trades and rejecting trades and in the process take that control from people would cause problems and probably would make droves of people leave this game.

it just seems like people are so quick to judge others on this website and think they know what that person is doing when they aren't looking over that person's shoulder and they don't know what those people are thinking.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By jgcruz
8/08/2016 6:04 pm
Nobody said anything about the community forcing a GM to accept a trade proposal. It's nonsensicle to interpret anything in this thread to intimate it.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By murderleg
8/08/2016 8:00 pm
Frankly, I haven't weighed in on this and by page 9 i'm thinking I should.

I'm feeling that any sort of credit and pay-to-pay/win based solution here would be a disaster. I really don't like it.

Adding a max trade value would kill first season rebuilders. It would discourage me from taking over other teams, especially weak ones, which are my favorite.

I personally think the 30 day limit for new owners is great, but I think there could and should be a stepping stone method to it
> First 10 days, no trades > second 10, minor trades > much father. It could go well beyond the first 30 days theoretically.

This would stop the preying on clueless owners for the purpose of league changing trades. They should get a chance to experiment and find what works and what doesn't with the small stuff. That's how they'll learn the best, without making it unfair for other owners.

The trade meter should also get a complete overhaul if possible. The current systems flaws have been well documented so I won't go into it but perhaps we should take a look at adding or changing the factors that go into it. How about stats, prototypes, and league history?

At the end of the day I think we should all remember that this is a game, a competition, and we shouldn't shift our focus toward normalizing everything. Fix inequity (lack of opportunity), not inequality (lack of results).

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By GrandadB
8/09/2016 4:37 am
tosu wrote:
Enough with the trade police. I'm not a big trader but just be busy about your own business and not so meddling.

We have a commissioner and don't need a bunch of rent-a-cops running around like they are some self- appointed gauge for the world of MFN.

I find this thread and the hypocritical fair play threads to be asinine. When I make a trade, I am out to improve my team, not make the other team better. The latter is the other owners responsibility. Anyone who has stated otherwise is either lying or stupid.

Right now the game is fun but with the thought processes here, that will soon end if some of you have your way.
Simply put, shut up and play



From a newb viewpoint and the OP, and now having the benefit of a variety of input, replies, and advice from several who would be considered in the highly experienced players category, I agree with your "rent a cop" statement, and respectfully disagree that it's hypocritical to want a fair playing field, or as fair as possible, as I dont believe you could really ever get any online game, football sim or otherwise, to a total fair for all state. Best way that I can see to reduce the number of whack trades or "dumping" & "tanking" a team is through strengthening the trade meter/process. Even then, there will prob be a way or two of getting around it for those who play that way, but at least it will be an improvement over the current situation. I guess "balance", like a lot of things in life, is the key, not so loose that it allows very poor value trades due to inexperience, lack of intelligence, or whatever the motive might be and not so tight that it hinders someone's trading and gaming ability. It's not a matter of "normalizing" the game, as suggested in the previous post, its about playing a game and making it fair as possible for all.
Last edited at 8/09/2016 4:56 am

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By Scarface132
8/09/2016 2:16 pm
tosu wrote:
Enough with the trade police. I'm not a big trader but just be busy about your own business and not so meddling.

We have a commissioner and don't need a bunch of rent-a-cops running around like they are some self- appointed gauge for the world of MFN.

I find this thread and the hypocritical fair play threads to be asinine. When I make a trade, I am out to improve my team, not make the other team better. The latter is the other owners responsibility. Anyone who has stated otherwise is either lying or stupid.

Right now the game is fun but with the thought processes here, that will soon end if some of you have your way.
Simply put, shut up and play



So you aren't down with anyone limiting your ability to rob newbs blind (getting early draft picks for your retirement guys) huh? Lol

https://cust9.myfootballnow.com/forums/thread/1/395?page=1#1037

I'm sure I could find many instances of other trades like this or worse, from you but what's the point?

Two declining nine, and ten year vets at twenty percent retirement already for two seconds round picks? Lol
Last edited at 8/09/2016 2:29 pm

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By Rakor
8/10/2016 9:59 pm
Balance the trades with cap money. When a trade is unbalanced the team who it favors must compensate the other team cap money to balance it out. So if the trades are too lopsided you hurt yourself by not having the cap money to sign the player.

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By murderleg
8/11/2016 5:37 am
Rakor wrote:
Balance the trades with cap money. When a trade is unbalanced the team who it favors must compensate the other team cap money to balance it out. So if the trades are too lopsided you hurt yourself by not having the cap money to sign the player.


Cap is already a factor in the quality of trades

Think about it, haven't you seen trades where a player is dumping huge cap onto a rebuilding team? The difference in cap is part of balancing the trade.

Realistically, your idea would have ripple effects into free agency and the draft because of the inability to dump older vets and their salary. That would unrealistically increase the value of draft picks and make free agency very unattractive. Not good.
Last edited at 8/11/2016 5:41 am

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By raymattison21
8/11/2016 10:32 am
Once a player produces he always wants the salary of a star. Agents alike will always want a restructuring not a renegotiated contract for that player. Here everything is renegotiated, perhaps with a high bonus, but base salary is low when compared production and should look at monetary incentives being added.

NFL salaries in general are not backed with guaranteed money (especially mid and lower tier guys) Here without any real threat of injury one can back loading bonus money for great vets through thier prime and then trade them before speed and strength decline quick. This works well contractually for the owner also.

The NFL average cap space is 28 mil. Here is getting better, but my busts are cut out of leisure not necessity to create any cap room. Much financial power is in the owners hands right now, but so is the NFL. Really the only power a NFL player has is to sit out.(hold out)

As rookie contracts near end tenders are put out, franchise tags are labeled, and agents are talking to other teams driving that new contract up as early picks bust often due to injury or off field problems. We skip alot of reality here and I do believe it has pushed gamers to reach for talent in this manner cause the gamble is less.

This game in terms of bonus money and prorated contracts looks alot more like the NBA model with longer contracts with more guaranteed cash. C mon, in FA if we could offer more bonus to get a guy we would.

Say you draft a guy from a trade like this. He's great, but 3-4 years later now he wants 20 mill a year guaranteed and so do the 10 other guys on his team aquired the same way.

All those players IRL would restructure ( not renegotiate) or leave and the team would be compensated. Getting that same draft pick through compensation that under the current engine gamers do this similar exchange through trading with not as good gamers/teams.





Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By tosu
8/11/2016 10:41 am
Tweaking of the balance indicator and adjusting for positions being ovedrweighted or underweighted is the area that needs to be solved. A punter who is a 90 is not worth what the balancer asks for as an example

Re: Trying to solve the trade dilemma

By Boomtower
8/11/2016 1:36 pm
I favor a laissez faire approach when it comes to trades. Ultimately, no matter what the trade bar says, if the team owners are happy, that's what matters. If someone feels like a trade is unfair, don't make the trade.