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Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By ArmoredGiraffe
9/09/2022 11:02 am
I think most people are aware of it happening, but currently when a non-blitzing defensive play is called a large amount of times in a game your offensive players will get a negative play knowledge of the play. One of my teams just played a game where my opponent called the 4-3 Normal Man OLB Flat Zone 38 times but my offensive familiarity with the play is at -46%.

Not sure why it's happening but I would like to see this changed to see if that would help against the oppressiveness of defenses.

Re: Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By dangalanti
9/11/2022 7:47 pm
ArmoredGiraffe wrote:
I think most people are aware of it happening, but currently when a non-blitzing defensive play is called a large amount of times in a game your offensive players will get a negative play knowledge of the play. One of my teams just played a game where my opponent called the 4-3 Normal Man OLB Flat Zone 38 times but my offensive familiarity with the play is at -46%.

Not sure why it's happening but I would like to see this changed to see if that would help against the oppressiveness of defenses.


I've got a team with -87% familiarity against flat zone - thanks to your tip in the other thread I've stopped scouting it.

Re: Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By ArmoredGiraffe
9/11/2022 8:35 pm
dangalanti wrote:
ArmoredGiraffe wrote:
I think most people are aware of it happening, but currently when a non-blitzing defensive play is called a large amount of times in a game your offensive players will get a negative play knowledge of the play. One of my teams just played a game where my opponent called the 4-3 Normal Man OLB Flat Zone 38 times but my offensive familiarity with the play is at -46%.

Not sure why it's happening but I would like to see this changed to see if that would help against the oppressiveness of defenses.


I've got a team with -87% familiarity against flat zone - thanks to your tip in the other thread I've stopped scouting it.


I would scout it in the playoffs for the slight boost

Re: Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By CrazySexyBeast
9/25/2022 3:14 pm
it gets sooo much worse. Every zone play creates negative familiarity.


does not matter if one scouts a zone def play or not, the offense will be penalized on a compounding basis every time the defense uses ANY zone play.

JUST HOLY F. Every single zone based defensive play creates negative offensive familiarity, Every. Single. One. that about takes me from please fix 4.6 to I thinking of quitting because even those dedicated to fair play can't help but cheat.
Either use zone and gain an unfair advantage, or not play zone at all to avoid the unfair advantage created by negative offensive familiarity bug.

Over half defensive plays give an unfair advantage to the defense.
This game is now pointless. 75% of the plays available to choose from either do not work or now create a an unforgivable bias against the offense.

Absolutely Unplayable because it is now too **** BROKEN.

I am no longer making any gameplanning efforts until this game is FIXED.
I got a league I'm responsible for and I'll continue to honor that.
...But do not expect any effort on the feild until we can actually use plays and actually freaking gameplan again.

ATROCIOUS.
I FEEL RIPPED OFF.

UPDATE THE ENGINE OR I QUIT.


I refuse to cheat and I will not accept limiting my play selections.

Sincerely;
CSB
Last edited at 9/25/2022 3:17 pm

Re: Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By Smirt211
9/25/2022 5:33 pm
I've gotten to -100% familiarity zapped upon me a few times with the Flat Zone; -128% has been the record.

Ai is aligned with cheese ball defense. For a very long time in v4.6 it'd give elite and other high end GMs L's due to it. You have to be crafty to get around it otherwise Ai will hand you a loss.

(i.e. if you throw wildly @ an Ai team you will lose and get nerfed right at the start; especially if you're flinging FL Hitch at it.....since that was JDB's main v4.6 objective - TO END THE HITCH)

Re: Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By raymattison21
9/26/2022 10:14 am
This has been happening for years and is said to be a rendering error. Perhaps not . Where’s Seth to back these claims up with some stats

Re: Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
4/02/2024 10:42 am
raymattison21 wrote:
This has been happening for years and is said to be a rendering error. Perhaps not . Where’s Seth to back these claims up with some stats


Is this bug still occurring? I'd like to resolve it if it is. I could use a screenshot from someone who is currently experiencing it as I have not been able to reproduce it.

Re: Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By ArmoredGiraffe
4/02/2024 11:52 am
jdavidbakr wrote:
raymattison21 wrote:
This has been happening for years and is said to be a rendering error. Perhaps not . Where’s Seth to back these claims up with some stats


Is this bug still occurring? I'd like to resolve it if it is. I could use a screenshot from someone who is currently experiencing it as I have not been able to reproduce it.


In the USFL, my Oklahoma Outlaws defensive scouting shows negative offensive familiarity against Dime Normal Man Cover 1:

Edit: The Outlaws have negative familiarity with Dime Flat 2 Deep Man Under at -19% and Dime Normal Double WR1 WR2 at -9%. Also link to the team: https://usflwfl.myfootballnow.com/team/12
Last edited at 4/02/2024 11:58 am

Re: Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By Waitwut
4/02/2024 12:00 pm

Play: Man Under 1
Formation: 4-3 Normal
LB: Zone In
Sec: 1-Deep Man
In Playbook: Yes
Off Familiarity: -26%
Def Familiarity: 77%
Times Used/Avg: 171/4.7
1st Down/Avg: 70/5.7
2nd Down/Avg: 53/3.8
3rd Down/Avg: 41/3.9
4th Down/Avg: 7/7.1
Times used includes previous and current regular season and post season games for your team only

In XFL

Re: Negative Defensive Play Familiarity

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
4/02/2024 2:13 pm
Thanks guys, I'm going to see if I can see what's happening and fix it.