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Re: Trade Balance

By Gustoon - League Admin
10/29/2015 4:10 am
sealbc wrote:
jd just set the trade bar too what ever you think is fair for everyone.Then do not adjust it at all anymore.Everyone will just have too deal with it if they can not make a trade like the rest of us.Seems like every time someone can not make a trade they always say it needs adjusting.You can not keep adjusting the bar every time someone can not make a trade.


Kenchi wrote:
sealbc wrote:
jd just set the trade bar too what ever you think is fair for everyone.Then do not adjust it at all anymore.Everyone will just have too deal with it if they can not make a trade like the rest of us.Seems like every time someone can not make a trade they always say it needs adjusting.You can not keep adjusting the bar every time someone can not make a trade.


I agree with this!

What would be the point of having the Bar, if it's not going to do what it should be doing?


I think you both miss the point, The OP (and others) are saying that the calculations to make trades isn't working as intended, (see the post above). I have tried many times on multiple occasions to try and make a trade that is MORE attractive to the receiving team and the 'balance pin' nearly knocks the wall down in their favor and it obviously can't even be proposed.
That said I have also had trades like that that I have tried to propose, can't but the other party can...you can't tell me that's right?

Re: Trade Balance

By WarEagle
10/29/2015 6:21 am
In my opinion:

The restrictions are too tight.

Trades that are very obviously engineered to benefit only one team should be prohibited.

Trades that the AI (or some owners) would deem "Questionable" should be allowed to go through.

Re: Trade Balance

By Gustoon - League Admin
10/29/2015 6:30 am
WarEagle wrote:
In my opinion:

The restrictions are too tight.

Trades that are very obviously engineered to benefit only one team should be prohibited.

Trades that the AI (or some owners) would deem "Questionable" should be allowed to go through.


You need to elaborate on that. I could make a proposal for say.. trading for a 3 yr QB who is rated in the mid 80s for a 2 and 3 round pick and it would not allow me to make that trade. So in % terms its being rated as over 100%, whereas 'in the real world' that deal would most likely go through, say for example the team with the player is looking to rebuild and collect draft picks, to them this is an attractive proposition and works for both sides, although the trade bar is saying that it's far more attractive to me to the point of being over 100%, this is what is not being taken into consideration.
Its AI and I realize there is only so much it can do and for this reason the rules should be 'relaxed' a wee bit more.

Re: Trade Balance

By WarEagle
10/29/2015 6:35 am
Gustoon wrote:
WarEagle wrote:
In my opinion:

The restrictions are too tight.

Trades that are very obviously engineered to benefit only one team should be prohibited.

Trades that the AI (or some owners) would deem "Questionable" should be allowed to go through.


You need to elaborate on that. I could make a proposal for say.. trading for a 3 yr QB who is rated in the mid 80s for a 2 and 3 round pick and it would not allow me to make that trade. So in % terms its being rated as over 100%, whereas 'in the real world' that deal would most likely go through, say for example the team with the player is looking to rebuild and collect draft picks, to them this is an attractive proposition and works for both sides, although the trade bar is saying that it's far more attractive to me to the point of being over 100%, this is what is not being taken into consideration.
Its AI and I realize there is only so much it can do and for this reason the rules should be 'relaxed' a wee bit more.


Depending on the exact circumstances, I might consider the trade you mention as questionable, or maybe just something "I wouldn't do". However, I think it should be allowed to go through.

A 90 rated 11 year vet being traded for a 3rd or 4th round pick is fine with me, but the AI wouldn't allow it.

By very obvious, I mean trades such as:
1st, 2nd and 3rd being traded for 4th, 5th and 6th.
A 90 rated 4th year player being traded for 2 5th round picks.

Those shouldn't be allowed.




Last edited at 10/29/2015 6:35 am

Re: Trade Balance

By dmcc1
10/29/2015 6:42 am
I don't think owners should be allowed to vote on whether a trade should go through or not.

As others have said the bar should be tweaked. Currently it seems any average rookie or 2nd year is overvalued against 6th or 7th year vets.

Re: Trade Balance

By Gustoon - League Admin
10/29/2015 6:51 am



WarEagle wrote:

Depending on the exact circumstances, I might consider the trade you mention as questionable, or maybe just something "I wouldn't do". However, I think it should be allowed to go through.

A 90 rated 11 year vet being traded for a 3rd or 4th round pick is fine with me, but the AI wouldn't allow it.

By very obvious, I mean trades such as:
1st, 2nd and 3rd being traded for 4th, 5th and 6th.
A 90 rated 4th year player being traded for 2 5th round picks.

Those shouldn't be allowed.


Agreed.
With the last point you made, I see this way too much and usually the owner that has sold the family silver then either doesn't renew the team ownership or just goes inactive. On the latter I'm not sure what could be done about this, but if a team owner walks away from trading away all assets for ridiculous trades, then IMO they should get reversed, ha ha not sure how that would work either tbh.


dmcc1 wrote:
I don't think owners should be allowed to vote on whether a trade should go through or not.

As others have said the bar should be tweaked. Currently it seems any average rookie or 2nd year is overvalued against 6th or 7th year vets.


Yes, I don't think voting is the answer, that could be open to abuse.

Re: Trade Balance

By sealbc
10/29/2015 9:37 am
Ratings mean nothing in here if a player is not producing on the field.I would not give up a mid rd pick for a high rated player declining or a younger player under performing. You also have lower rated players outperforming higher rated players in here all the time.Then players who never reach full potential.If a high rated players has not produced the last 3 yrs versus having a 5 good seasons.You can not give them the higher value in trade over previous seasons.The do have lower value in trade at the current season in decline versus peak performance seasons.You can not base trades on this is what he has done for me in the past in value.The value should be in what the player is doing for you in the current season.The best thing too do with this entire problem is too still monitor trades.Then report something too jd if it is not right.I agree some of the restraints do need too be lifted in trading.Maybe with the next change too the trading bar jd can test it in league 1 and then release it too the rest of the leagues later.
Last edited at 11/02/2015 9:19 am

Re: Trade Balance

By dmcc1
11/02/2015 8:57 am
I was just offered this trade 2017 rd 1 pick 1 and 2018 rd 6 for my 2017 rd 1 pick 2 and 2018 rd 3

The difference between 1st and 2nd pick in rd 1 this season is negligible so basically I would be giving up a rd 3 for a rd 6 yet the bar shows about 90% in my favour.

Definitely needs tweaking.

Re: Trade Balance

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
11/02/2015 9:47 am
dmcc1 wrote:
I was just offered this trade 2017 rd 1 pick 1 and 2018 rd 6 for my 2017 rd 1 pick 2 and 2018 rd 3

The difference between 1st and 2nd pick in rd 1 this season is negligible so basically I would be giving up a rd 3 for a rd 6 yet the bar shows about 90% in my favour.

Definitely needs tweaking.


The draft picks are calculated using the traditional draft pick value chart http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php

Re: Trade Balance

By dmcc1
11/02/2015 10:06 am
A difference of 400 points between 1st and 2nd pick in rd 1 doesn't seem right when we can both get players with 99 potential.

The trade I was offered cannot possibly be in my favour