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Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By Kababmaster
6/23/2019 8:18 pm
CrazyRazor wrote:
A free kick to open the game or the 2nd half is place kicked (from a tee). Again, I have not checked the rules. I don't believe opening free kicks (to open the game or 2nd half) can be punted.


I never said they could be !? I did mention the tee option from a Free Kick after a Safety died in the late-mid 90's in NCAA.....there or thereabouts.

Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By Kababmaster
6/23/2019 8:23 pm
Cra...it is still a free kick by rule, granted, they have/had options for kick or punt not to be confused with a scrimmage kick, think KO from the hand) and in some cases drop kick, in the past. The play following a safety is a that of a Free Kick situation. Trust me.
Last edited at 6/23/2019 8:25 pm

Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By CrazyRazor
6/23/2019 8:26 pm
Here's where we went astray.

Kababmaster wrote:
Pretty sure a free kick that goes straight up in the air is open to be fair caught, that's why 99.99999% of the time you see the ball hit the ground first (Kickers action) and then pop up in the air.

Have you seen a flag on a onsides kick that is not in line with this NFL Rule ?


A said something about free kicks not being punts.

This is probably what I should have said:
You can't call for a fair catch & then allow the ball to hit the ground on a free kick. Once the ball travels 10 yards, it is a "live" ball and can be recovered by either team.
If you call for a fair catch on a free kick, you better **** well catch the ball. ;)

Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By CrazyRazor
6/23/2019 8:29 pm
I'm not sure if you can call a fair catch if the kicker forces the ball into the ground to make it pop up into the air.

(I caught what you were trying to say in that statement.) Lol
Last edited at 6/23/2019 8:30 pm

Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By Kababmaster
6/23/2019 8:30 pm
CrazyRazor wrote:
Here's where we went astray.

Kababmaster wrote:
Pretty sure a free kick that goes straight up in the air is open to be fair caught, that's why 99.99999% of the time you see the ball hit the ground first (Kickers action) and then pop up in the air.

Have you seen a flag on a onsides kick that is not in line with this NFL Rule ?


A said something about free kicks not being punts.

This is probably what I should have said:
You can't call for a fair catch & then allow the ball to hit the ground on a free kick. Once the ball travels 10 yards, it is a "live" ball and can be recovered by either team.
If you call for a fair catch on a free kick, you better **** well catch the ball. ;)


Sir, this is why 99.99999% of kicks on onside kicks hit the ground first and pop-up...it rules out a FC possibility....I mentioned this earlier also.

Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By Kababmaster
6/23/2019 8:37 pm
My bad, I'm after a few beers and got engrossed in the conversions.

Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By TarquinTheDark
6/23/2019 9:37 pm
This is a punt:

Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By Kababmaster
6/23/2019 10:00 pm
It's a widely known and an accepted fact...(and I know we are getting well off the beaten track here)..that Trump is, well, not very happy in his own nappy ! Granted, I think USA took the lesser of two evils on this....but he has not exactly endeared himself to the World like Kennedy had.....in so far as upsetting A LOT of the World, whilst treating the Office as a Business suit.

Let's see how he shapes out, personally, I can't see him becoming a popular President...as he likes to proclaim.



Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By slowtospeak
6/24/2019 1:53 am
In the weird NFL parlance, a punt is called a "scrimmage kick." Anything that starts with a snap is either a punt or a field goal. My original concern was that onside kicks were not required to travel 10 yards downfield. There is no flag in this situation; the receiving team just gets the ball. Also, sometimes an onside kick goes straight out of bounds. There is apparently no penalty for this, simply a rekick. The rules changed recently so you don't get the crazy formations you used to get. The onside kick formation follows the new rules, so maybe we knew about them when the game was designed, but it seems odd to me that the rules regarding legal and illegal onside kicks are apparently being ignored.

Re: Allow receiving teams to take possession of illegal onside kicks

By Kababmaster
6/24/2019 2:52 am
slowtospeak wrote:
In the weird NFL parlance, a punt is called a "scrimmage kick.".......


Officiated 40 years Internationally and on some occasions, USA (FED & NCAA).....

Take me back to a time where a "punt" is not a scrimmage kick ?

I'll wait !