In the leagues I have the new engine I've been allowing tons more interior sacks credited to Center. Some guard as well, I've never seen any of my centers in past give up more than a couple. In lg 75 my centers combine for like 10 in 11 games. What changed on interior lineman that is making them stink? Is it the blocking ratings? Just curious cause I'm on record pace for sacks allowed and I've been trying to mix and match to make things at least semi manageable

Cmon. Your centers are not good. M.Webster a small converted TE with no acceleration and the other who has some technique should be dominated by all of my DTs that are his size as his physical skill are F grade at best.

This change made oline more important. Perhaps not enough......you are undefeated in the toughest league. The pass blocking algorithim was much more broke before. Teams with crappy lines did even better in the past. Please just recongnize the importantance and monetary value of the oline now.

You want to pay your center M.Webster, the pay he would have recieved in the 70's yet get his play of the 70's. They were good because he was so good. Today demading top salary to get top play. Your Webster should be on the bench or letting up sacks.

If it were different my B grade center should have let up zero. Nothing happened....you put little value in lineplay. Like alot of guys who won under 3.2. Cause it was broke.

Look how quick skill players went in 75 even when JDB warned the big change in line play.

Some guys in MFN 1 went heavy on linemen in th past few drafts. I could not get one. Where my starting LT is low B grade player i got as an UDRFA six seasons ago. Hes a decent LT now.

Sehterick goobbled up all the linemen in 75 and he played well. Still, you are playing the best with the worst center. That is an accomplishment in it self. Your 75 team is my test team. As they win, but why?

ya i agree that webster didn't cut it so i benched him like 4 games ago. My new starting center Gregory Huntsberryhas 86/100 pass block so he should be better i would think? He is a former guard with not a great deal of strength that is the problem. I wasn't complaining and i'll take my lumps like everyone else with sacks. I was just wondering what else changed on interior if speed didn't matter. I totally forgot that the blocking attributes were ramped up to mean more. Thanks for using my team as your guinea pig by the way, lol

The interactions with all linemen were improved in 0.4, adding the speed rush on the outside was just one part of the update. Basically, the run/pass block attributes now carry more weight. Previously a lineman with a 50-rated block skill was not significantly worse than one with 100 (and vice versa with the DL run/pass defense). With the update you will see a more pronounced difference in the performance of a low-rated OL vs a high-rated one.

thanks for the update, i didn't remember that you updated the blocking interactions to be more pronounced. It makes sense, i just need to start building a better line :)

Then I'm completely at a loss as to why all of a sudden my LGs, RGs, and Cs with high ratings at pass/run blocking are no longer any good. Most also have a high strength rating. Probably none (or very few) of them have any speed or acceleration.

while the oline was ramped up to match their ratings better i find that it has enhanced DT's ability to sack the QB. I'm seeing a lot of double digit sack production from interior Dlineman. This must correlate with a lot of bad interior offensive lineman that were playing better than their ratings on the previous engine? i think qb's should be quicker to throw the ball away and we would see a dramatic decrease in sack numbers. If your qb is scrambling and there's no where to go chuck it out of bounds.

I looked at Huntsberrys sacks vs. BAL. I few things stood out.

1)weight having little to do with helping strength in certain senerios.

Both of his sacks allowed were plays with multipule blitzers combined with a pass key.

His first was to a DT with like 20 more STG and a bit more ACC.

Huntsberry dominated the pass block vs the pass rush of the DT, but the STG and pass key were the difference. Huntsberry held that block long enough and should not have been charged. Thats pretty normal in this game.


The second sack was a bit more interesting, but first the normal part. I saw a WLB line up as a DT in a three man front. Reminds me a bit of the IRN game, the only other one that Huntsberry let up two other sacks.

Definetly pointing out that weight doesnt matter as i assumed Huntsberry was at a disadvantage due to being heavier, but having STG rated weaker than IRN DT T.Lamb. When, now we all know that doesnt help that much against a lighter players.

2) The oline blocking logic. As in who they choose to block given each formation and blitz assignment.

On this sack Huntsberry was left to block the WLB playing DT alone. I think only four guys came and the LG passed right by the WLB playing DT en route to the help double the right side.

My thinking would be that the LG would never do that. First he would have helped on the DT , but perhaps the C was beat so quick the LG never had a chance to double.

Alot of questions for me on this play. That may or may not be related to size/ STG.

https://private75.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/239#46295

Huntsberry should not have let that one up either. Bryson I think your on to something. You got beat on exploits, even with a 55 rated C. That is good......

Maybe his intelligence makes him make the wrong blitz reads. cause maybe hes telling his linemen the wrong blitz assignment? But more likely i am making that up.

No matter what i do not like the way this play looked. At least with my current knowledge. I do not see weight/ size changing a wrong pass block assignment, but one could say that WLB beat a double team ....but no....i think its a minor pass blocking assignment bug associated with picking up blitzers.

Its kinda like who cover who. Its good but i find a number of defenses that the plain donot match up. In other words the presnap alignment needs adjustment or who cover who does not work when some blitzers cause some recievers to stay in and block while other coverage assignment on that same play have a guy start on the wrong side of the feild.

Yes i blitzed but guys assignments would just slide over per say. Not stay the same no matter the presnap alignment. The AI is a bit off there too!

Very hypothetical, but on this sack the LG helped on the wrong guy.

And i think its a blitz out of 4-3 under that has the SS come all the way across he field just to cover his man.

Both of these highlight the change of assignment per blitz play. Wont happen on normal plays but when a player blows his assignment all this happens IRL too,but i thought it was interesting because i never thought these types of outcomes are most likely not dictated by player expereince or intelligence. But i have never heard of such a thing.

That is awesome insight! Thanks for the breakdown. Sometimes the stats don't always reflect the play. I think qbs just need to get rid of it, either into the stands or to a dump off so the sack numbers will drop.

My interior OL have given up 5 combined sacks in 11 and 10 starts respectively: https://private75.myfootballnow.com/team/view/2

But, as Ray said above, I drafted all of the best OL I could I just didn't draft two TEs to play as bookend tackles like I would have done if I had known that SP was more important that ST at tackle.