Now who's making unfounded accusations, find me a thread where I have called someone out? (don't waste your time).
While your at it, we might as well take away the commentary on trades, just in case the conversation develops into innuendo.

Outta here.

Peace

This is a problem, considering there is no benefit to doing so.

Either way you do it the only opinion that matters here is JDB, and you can contact him without ruining the reputation of the suspected cheater if he/she is innocent.

There are two options:

1. You have the cheater investigated by one person, he is found guilty or not. If he is in fact guilty, then the community can talk and deal with it and his reputation is rightfully destroyed.

2. You have the cheater investigated by one person , he is found guilty or not. Regardless of whether he is innocent, his reputation is destroyed. Probably unjustly.

Which one sounds more logical to you?

I never said you called someone out, but you did justify people who do. Again, with all due respect this is wrong. You don't seem to be reading what i'm writing. You are constantly putting words in my mouth.

I am saying the public forums aren't the place to call out cheaters. That is all I am saying. As Kind said (which you seems to agree with, did you even read what he wrote?)



Commentary on trades is perfectly fine, and discussing cheating is fine with a smaller sample of people. When the whole website starts hating an account for no good reason, then thats a problem and justifying it is illogical. You can create a system where the account gets a bad rap only when guilty, or they can get a bad rap even when they are innocent. Justifying the latter, like I said, is completely illogical.

What is your alternative? Do you want the community forums to vote on it? That would be a horrible plan!

My point is that it is not OK to accuse people, unless you know for a fact they are guilty. That is called slander in the real world and you can get drilled legally with such false claims.

Paying attention and pointing out game improprieties to Admin is one thing, flinging accusations without hard evidence is quite another. My only thought on this is stick to the facts and go through proper channels.

If the current game channels that are set up to deal with issues is not satisfactory to whomever, then perhaps this game is not for you. The last thing we need is some lynch mob individual who feels they need to be judge and jury.

My two cents...

1. I'm fine with someone calling out cheaters in a public forum (if only to make it known to other owners), but I think that person should be guilty of cheating, not just suspected of cheating.

2. There are often trades that at first (or even second) glance look suspicious. Instead of making a post saying something to the effect of "Here's another example of a dirty, rotten, **** fool cheater", why not make a post saying "Hey, owners X and Y. Would you mind explaining your thinking behind this trade (or something else less hostile)?" At least then a person would have an opportunity to explain their reasoning before being branded a cheater.

3. If there is no response, or a response that still sounds like cheating, go ahead and PM JDB. If he doesn't respond, go ahead and comment publicly that you think something's up.

4. I think the calling out of someone as an actual cheater should be done by JDB since he is the only one who can know for sure, or at least he has more knowledge about it than we do. If not by JDB (since he hasn't shown an inclination to do this), then by someone who had their suspicions confirmed by JDB.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Much respect WarEagle, always a voice or reason.

I agree with the points other than #2.
It seems to say; If an owner declined to comment, they'd be branded a cheater. No one is owed or obligated to give an explanation for trades and to demand as such, unless by Admin, is unreasonable in my opinion.

I didn't mean to imply they were obligated. I just meant it would be nice to give them the opportunity to respond before they were accused of cheating or reported to JDB.

If someone had questions about any of my actions I would be happy to provide my reasoning. I would NOT be happy to be accused of cheating, especially without even being given the chance to provide my side of the story.

I just thought it would be more civil if people asked for an explanation before jumping to conclusions.

I feel as though the cheater could make even more accounts to trade to other real reputable owners just to shut them up. Or keep them quiet, by buying them out with an unrelated team using yet another dupe account. Perhaps just another layer of the ruse. I do not complain about trades therefore a dupe never tried to shut me up. I never get good trades like one repeated ones on here because i do not trade because it sucks. That clears my name....but i will take insults defending others rights. JDB could ban complainers.

So any one partaking is guilty in my eyes. Or should be able to take slander. If you were right the truth would not matter and proving yourself right would cease. Anyone would take a good trade if it were in front of them.

I see nothing wrong with pointing out crappy trades, whether cheating was involed or not. I know not to accept these, why should a newbie. If they are aware it is a current problem. Not allowing this so called slander would hurt the game. But once again this is only an opinion from someone who learns through failure.


If someone catches a beat on boom bust these trades would be a huge problem. I would have volatility change each season just incase.

Plus one for the complainers. Wrong or right keep this nonsense coming. I enjoy reading it.