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Re: Upcoming Draft

By setherick
7/02/2016 3:14 pm
Brrexkl wrote:
So, Powell (who was a S and now a LB) might be best served moving to DE and just hauling **** at the QB?

The only real Trade Off is that I lose his Zone Coverage, but he's a Liability in M2M so it does hide a weakness as well.

Go for 2 Space Eaters who are insanely good but slow, and make the LDE a Speed Rush to destroy QBs? Instead of 3 Space Eaters of which 2 are insanely good.


Speed, always, even in the 3-4. I run a hybrid 3-4/4-3 in 67. And my DE with lower strength has more sacks than my 100 ST DE.

https://mfn67.myfootballnow.com/player/902
https://mfn67.myfootballnow.com/player/845

Keep in mind that Shapiro missed two full games though.

Re: Upcoming Draft

By TAFIV
7/02/2016 3:15 pm
lellow2011 wrote:
dei1c3 wrote:
I understand that the 3-4 plays have blitzing LBs. My question was do LB blitzes in the 3-4 actually get the LB any sacks? Like I said in my initial post, I call tons of plays with LB Blitzs from my 4-3 defenses...but LBs rarely get sacks (even on teams where they are my best players and pass rushers).

Is this different when 3-4 plays are called?


I've seen plenty of LB sacks, high pass rush and speed really seems to be key. It certainly pales in comparison to what DEs do in this game though.


DEs shouldn't be as strong after the next update see this thread:
https://mfn67.myfootballnow.com/community/thread/6/1923?page=1

here's the relevent quote from the thread
jdavidbakr wrote:
setherick wrote:
One word: Speed

Since this is the first year of the league, your OL doesn't know the plays, which is stupid by itself. Since he doesn't know the plays, he also can't read the defense, which is also stupid. So the DE 100 speed is the trump card.


The DE is just as handicapped on the play knowledge, this is a symptom of the last engine update that ultimately gave the DL too much power. Trust me, it is being addressed in the next version.

Re: Upcoming Draft

By lellow2011
7/02/2016 3:42 pm
Yes, and I'm actually really concerned about DEs getting the nerf bat because the passing game already feels impossible to stop at times and getting to the QB seems to be the only way to get the offense off of the field.

Re: Upcoming Draft

By setherick
7/02/2016 3:47 pm
lellow2011 wrote:
Yes, and I'm actually really concerned about DEs getting the nerf bat because the passing game already feels impossible to stop at times and getting to the QB seems to be the only way to get the offense off of the field.


Like most things in this game, the passing game is unstoppable or utterly inept. I wish I knew how to make things work consistently.

Re: Upcoming Draft

By lellow2011
7/02/2016 3:48 pm
setherick wrote:
lellow2011 wrote:
Yes, and I'm actually really concerned about DEs getting the nerf bat because the passing game already feels impossible to stop at times and getting to the QB seems to be the only way to get the offense off of the field.


Like most things in this game, the passing game is unstoppable or utterly inept. I wish I knew how to make things work consistently.


Gotta love having a defensive linemen in the QBs face on 3rd and long only to watch the opposing QB throw a frozen rope into triple coverage off of his back foot for 30 yards... lol.

Re: Upcoming Draft

By setherick
7/02/2016 3:53 pm
lellow2011 wrote:
setherick wrote:
lellow2011 wrote:
Yes, and I'm actually really concerned about DEs getting the nerf bat because the passing game already feels impossible to stop at times and getting to the QB seems to be the only way to get the offense off of the field.


Like most things in this game, the passing game is unstoppable or utterly inept. I wish I knew how to make things work consistently.


Gotta love having a defensive linemen in the QBs face on 3rd and long only to watch the opposing QB throw a frozen rope into triple coverage off of his back foot for 30 yards... lol.


And then on the next play drill the DT in the chest for the worst pick six ever.
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Re: Upcoming Draft

By Brrexkl
7/02/2016 10:01 pm
So wouldn't 100 SPD 100 ACC 100 STR LBs and Safeties be the absolute best DL's once they got the Weight up enough for the STR to matter?

On the SPD they just blow by, and once the Weight is up they can push back when they do get engaged?

Is this JUST DE, or should DT be SPD as well?

Re: Upcoming Draft

By MC_Hammer
7/03/2016 3:59 am
I have used LBs at DE, DEs at OLB spots, LBs at safety spots... they all work well if their attributes fit what you are trying to accomplish.
That is, after they get their position experience built up.

Re: Upcoming Draft

By Morbid
7/03/2016 9:16 am
I have had np switching LB's to RDE or even LDE and them finish with 30+ sacks in the season. If you want your team to be successful you need to keep pressure on the QB and make him throw early or take a sack. QB's will pick you apart without pressure. I believe DE is the most important position on D even over CB's

Re: Upcoming Draft

By murderleg
7/03/2016 10:19 am
Morbid wrote:
I have had np switching LB's to RDE or even LDE and them finish with 30+ sacks in the season. If you want your team to be successful you need to keep pressure on the QB and make him throw early or take a sack. QB's will pick you apart without pressure. I believe DE is the most important position on D even over CB's


On this, speed kills on the D-Line (especially at end) and is really all you need paired with acceleration. I noticed you wanted space eaters in the OP, but they play really handicapped compared to the speed rushers. Speed is effective for ends because they break around the pocket easily but I find you need both it and Pass Rush/Run Stuff to be a force at DT.

In MFN6, which I assume he is talking about, Morbid made a huge trade for an outside linebacker. I ridiculed him for it at first but it ended up being well worth it. He's been one of the most productive players in the league at DE.

Also in MFN6 I have an end with 100 speed and 100 acceleration. He is only 80 overall with my current weights yet somehow he is one of the leagues marquee players. He has 116 sacks in the last three seasons (almost 40 per year) and is the all time career sack leader.
Last edited at 7/03/2016 10:24 am