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Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By setherick
6/26/2016 10:59 am
Gustoon wrote:
TAFIV wrote:
i think the fastest fix would probably be to have the gunners converge on the ball while it's still in flight, not run past the returner(while staying off to the sides of him, usually by 10-20 yards) then go "oh ****, he caught it!!!" and have to turn around and try to catch back up to him, this to me is completely unrealistic i can't think of a single game i've EVER seen where the gunners ignore the flight of the ball till it is either in the returner's hands or has hit the ground


Yep, they should be breaking on the ball


Fixed that for you.

Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By Claymore
6/26/2016 1:25 pm
There seems to be a missing attribute on players , Awareness or Vision. it's no wonder they can't go to the ball/carrier. Blind as a mole in coal

Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By raymattison21
6/26/2016 5:17 pm
Gunners do not always follow the ball. I understand the reference used here but feel an equal amount o f the time the gunner is queuing the return man. They have little idea where the ball is. Instead they making decisions based on what others on the field are doing.

In another senerio the punted ball is nearing the goaline for a possible touchback and the return man could be doing a fake catch to lure the gunners out of place of a possible downing of the punted ball in side the 5 yard line.

It should go both ways and by having the gunners on punt follow the ball all the time is just unreal.

Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By setherick
6/26/2016 5:25 pm
raymattison21 wrote:
Gunners do not always follow the ball. I understand the reference used here but feel an equal amount o f the time the gunner is queuing the return man. They have little idea where the ball is. Instead they making decisions based on what others on the field are doing.

In another senerio the punted ball is nearing the goaline for a possible touchback and the return man could be doing a fake catch to lure the gunners out of place of a possible downing of the punted ball in side the 5 yard line.

It should go both ways and by having the gunners on punt follow the ball all the time is just unreal.



Note that we never said that the gunner should follow the ball. The gunner should break on the ball. By the time the gunners are ready to take an angle at the return man, the ball should be on a downward trajectory and the return man should be adjusting to the placement. Gunners should react to the return man's adjustment and break on the ball, which will soon enter their field of vision anyway. Right now, gunners run in a straight line 10 or 20 yards behind the return man if your gunner is really fast.

Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By King of Bling
6/26/2016 6:16 pm
My comment was directed at the post by the author of this thread who stated "no one ever heard of Jack Christianson."

He was a stellar safety for the Detroit Lions and is a HoFer who played on 3 championship teams for Detroit in the 1950's. I admit I am a bit of an historian but he is pretty well known tbh.


Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By drogers
6/26/2016 6:26 pm
I wrote it, to be mildly funny and take the edge off a stat based comment.

I'm old(ish...I don't feel old) and have watched the NFL obsessively since I was a child. I have never heard of him.

However,... I have now. Thank you sir.

Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By King of Bling
6/26/2016 6:54 pm
He, and Yale Lary, both played safety in the Lions secondary and went on to be named HoFers. I believe they are the only team to have both their starting safties named to the Hall in the history of the NFL.

Hard to believe the Lions were ever a factor, but in the 50's they won 3 Championships

I agree with your opening statement though that Punt Returns seem a bit juiced up
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Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By drogers
6/26/2016 9:28 pm
HOF QB doesn't hurt, and from the stories I have heard, Bobby Layne was also was one of the coolest, funniest and toughest ever.

Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By setherick
6/26/2016 10:35 pm
King of Bling wrote:
My comment was directed at the post by the author of this thread who stated "no one ever heard of Jack Christianson."

He was a stellar safety for the Detroit Lions and is a HoFer who played on 3 championship teams for Detroit in the 1950's. I admit I am a bit of an historian but he is pretty well known tbh.




Fun fact. Jack Christensen and Otto Schellbacher were from the same tiny Western Kansas town.

Re: Punt returns ruin an otherwise great game

By punisher
6/27/2016 1:41 am
drogers wrote:

Lets start with an easy one. The player in question is todays game had 203 PR yards against me. The all time NFL record for PR yards in a game is 207 by LeRoy Irvin in 1981. My guy fell 4 yards short.


LeRoy Irvin = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeRoy_Irvin

drogers wrote:
The all time NFL record for PR yards in a single season is 875, set by Desmond Howard in 1996. In my league we currently have 12 players who have broken the all time record, 6 who are on a pace to double it, and our leader has 1,373 PR yards.


Desmond Howard = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Howard

drogers wrote:
The all time NFL record for PR avg in a season is 23.0 set by Herb Rich (Herb Rich?!?!?!?!) in 1950. In the league we have ELEVEN players who are currently breaking a 66 year old record set by some guy named Herb who probably played against a bunch of fat dudes who sold aluminum siding on weekdays.


Herb Rich = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Rich

drogers wrote:
The all time record for PR TDs in a season was set the very next year, 1951 by Jack "you never heard of me either" Christiansen with 4. 8 guys have already tied or beaten poor anonymous Jack's record, and a few will more than double that too.


Jack Christiansen = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Christiansen



there gave you their Wikipedia's so you can learn or know more about them.



setherick wrote:

Fun fact. Jack Christensen and Otto Schellbacher were from the same tiny Western Kansas town.


I think you mean Otto Schnellbacher you forget to put a n in his name
otto schnellbacher = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Schnellbacher
btw here is that western Kansas town which Sublette , Kansas = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublette,_Kansas
Last edited at 6/27/2016 1:45 am