Someone whom is such a major influencer in Beta should not be biased. Dissecting strategies from users you have issues with and taking it to Beta for deconstruction and the express purpose of 'taking it down' is mean spirited and just wrong.

You should resign, quite honestly.

I apologize for the negativity but I get highly upset when someone basically tells everyone to shutup, their opinion doesnt matter and the thread is pointless.

This is a community forum where everyone should have the freedom to express themselves.

Its fine to disagree with someones opinion but I draw the line at attempting to belittle, dismiss, or censure someone by saying their opinion doesnt matter or is pointless.

Its possible to debate an opinion without passing some sort of judgement.

Just as I am . Pretty lame like this thread

"The direction of the game is the opinion?"

This is the general forum. Forum as defined by the Merrium-Webster dictionary is:

an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.

yes, lies and truths blend here

"My offenses and defenses are better and more aligned with the actual ratings"

I see no facts to support this so that is your opinion.

that clearly doesn't matter in this thread as it is all hear say. I say everyone play alike and suffered because of not changing quick enough

"Why is that a bad direction?"

See title of thread, also see numerous league threads and league chats about the direction this game has taken.

all pre 4.4 releases were more broke, tightened man up has highlighted all the others.

"One just might have to let go of a personal perspective (agenda) and play the code"

First, Im here to play a football sim using my knowledge of football in an attempt to approximate an actual football owner, general manager and head coach. Im not here to figure out, write or troubleshoot code, I have ZERO knowledge of such things but I do know how to manage a roster and call plays. My agenda is to escape the real world for a few moments everyday and have some fun.

I know that , but why respond to my recruitment part of this thread then.

"Some users are worse some are better"

Captain obvious

at what ?

"Are the better ones gonna post here or in beta. No."

Doesnt make sense to me.

it's a complaint thread , winners dont complain. And if youmwere doing worse befor and better now why post here? There has been plenty good posts for 4.5 as well but nobody made a great change thread

"Good or bad this thread is boring cause the inaccurate parts. They are repeated and inaccurate."

Be specific on what parts are inaccurate and back it will facts or else its just your opinion.

I am reluctantly leaving out info here as those who done it know if not they will learn

"Me pushing a general release for 4.4 and 4
5 was the new avenue. Cause it was so bad"

Nice to have a name to blame for that dumpster fire that was 4.4 getting released which has soured so many to this great sim. You speak on others having an agenda while you pushed the release of 4.4 so you could get this sim where you personally wanted it to be. You are happy with 4.5 and dont want to rock the boat because YOU are having success. Thats why Im not in Beta because the goal of beta should be to improve the overall gameplay for everyone, not to shape the game to your personal desires so you play better.

idk about that. Alot testers felt the same as me but it didn't matter. As for success , win the same amount of games no matter the code. My only agenda was to prove you could blitz every
play and pass deep everytime and win every game. The best part was the shattering of all the passing records with only 6 plays offensively and Defensively total. I thought that looked bad for a football game. No one believed me, so i proved it, but it took years to complete . If the masses don't see that as wrong I don't know what to say. I felt I had to do something for the longevity of the game.

"I was hoping you come up with a break down of who's actually left and came and jow thats related to past code releases"

I dont work for MFN, Im a paying customer trying to have fun. I dont have the time or energy to figure all that out. I post my opinion on here based on conversations with only league admins and watching leagues dry up and die. Im sure JDB can pull up that information in no time.

that's my point. Wouldn't he see and care and change? I just love your stats


"I see little difference here...except its a defensive minded code. But thats only cause of the complexity/sensitivity and time and effort it take to align to make every one happy"

That really doesnt make sense. Yes its a defensive minded code but who are you referencing with the make every one happy. Confused.

I said to open passing up on the outside, but I think he was a bit fearful guys would be throwing for 800 yards a game. I honestly think a team can average 500 yards a game in 4.5....right now.mit just may be rare. As it would be the same in the nfl. They used nfl averages
to use as parameters but once you throw a human in there the stats can blow up . Nobody has really don't that yet, but I would like to see it

"Look at the difference it has made by investing all my time and effort in beta"

What exactly are you taking credit for here. I havent been here 2 years and Im not in beta. I didnt know you were powerful and influential to the game

I am speaking in general anyone investing the same time and effort could build a team that wins 100-0 and makes the code look real bad. He finally changed long passing because of it . There no credit, that was not my goal. It was hopes if I had tangable/useable proof something would be done. So I wouldn't quit. I just didn't make public thread as knew it would fall on deaf ears.

"I believe he will listen and make necessary changes now. In the past I believed he was too easily influenced by threads like this. Not that the masses are wrong. But you have to believe at this stage"

Wow. You have JDB right where you want him now. All it took was to push the release of a broken version to drive home your point. Why would JDB listen to all his idiot customers when he has someone like you to show him the light. Talk about having an agenda and spelling it out. Dont listen to everyone JDB, how dare the commoners not in beta how an opinion. Shut it down and shut them up.

I backed it all up in beta already . Just cause I am focusing on the opposite doesn't mean that where my heart lands....it's a back door method of creating. Never had I ever shunned a voice with concern. You are ignoring the slams on Jdb and the beta crew. Let alone what actually happened . As negative threads linger they bleed these inaccurate statements within them. Another thread could be made stating the same thing. It doesn't matter if it gets locked up or not. But it should imo

"But when you build a real venture from scratch you devise a plan, put the pieces together, and execute no matter the feedback"

REALLY

Teaming up with customers to accelerate R&D has become a common practice in many industries. An additional effect is that by consulting consumers in the product development phase, companies are able to meet their expectations. By doing so, companies save the time and resources that would otherwise be spent on developing rarely or never used features.

Such mutually beneficial partnerships can help companies stay competitive in a global market that’s more challenging with each passing day.

Integrating customer knowledge in the research and development phase is a way of refining products both before and after launch. The information collected on various channels can be easily filtered and integrated into R&D. Thus, the customer transcends the buyer role and is actually transformed into a focus group member who could come up with the next breakthrough.

restaurant businesses fail alot. 10% succeed right. I don't question those numbers here. This thread does . Anything really successful was meant to be or they worked harder than the other guy. Complaining is not hard and is the hurdle to greatness. I want the game to succeed you want to play what we all have created . I am going to quit one day when the game is done.

"Are you in or out...cause this is falling on deaf ears. I want you, but posts like this put you in the realm of users that I can divulge info from by watching your games. But I need guys who are willing to give it up and often. Isolate things...not necessarily try to win at all costs"

Whats the benefit package? Im not here to work, Im here to have fun. I dont break down game films and dont know anything to help JDB make his game better other then giving a persceptive from a paying customer about what makes his game fun and what makes its frustrating. Im here to build a roster and compete against others and hopefully win some championships. My contribution to this game is creating fun active leagues that are full and thriving. So Im in for the game but out when it comes to work.

I wanted you. Plain and simple. I begged seth to come back a while ago to help and this is what we got from it. He left and I beg you or ask , but I respect any decline as beta stinks for the masses,m but I love it

"Without it the progress of this game will move at a snails pace"

Good 4.4 should never have been released and it was so bad, they had to rush 4.5. We should still be in 4.3 until all the kinks of 4.5 were play tested out so a snails pace sounds perfect to me. I dont want to have to go through 3 different versions in 3 straight seasons again. Thats why people left and why this thread was started

I have a feeling this will be the future , and because of it and my life I will make decisions based on it cause of the time beta testing takes. Still, imo the fast pace is the way to go.

"And if you think someone might not pass us up is rude to the potential of the game and other coders. I came from another game that went under."

Does the game have to evolve yes but this game is far enough along that new versions need to be stable before release which means longer beta testing. 4.4 should never have had a general release. It was a hugh step backwards and damaged this game by driving off an established customer base and pissing off the ones that stayed. Im happy you loved it but you are definitely in the minority. And you keep saying "us" like we all work for MFN. Look I love the sim and readily support it financially by buying credits. Ive bought enough credits to buy Madden several times over but my loyalty ends as a customer. If another football sim comes out that blows this one away, then I will probably play it and tell all my friends here about it.

I can use yours or anyone's info/stats here for evaluating . Imo the most valuable thing to the game. Without all of us the game wouldn't be possible . Idk you do have to follow rules show up on time , complete tasks if you want to win? We work for him it's simple..we play for free for info.

"I dont want that here, and that's what this thread feels like to me. Constructive or not humans are not machines and a lot of parts of this thread just dont feel right."

I contribute in cash and by giving my honest opinion. If you dont like it, dont read it because this isnt just your game or forum to dictate whose opinions matter. You want facts to support statements in this thread but you end by talking about how you feel about this thread and its content. Why does how I feel not matter but your feelings are central to your complaint.

its ruled by feelings. I feel people are quiting, but no stats so it's an opinion /feeling. Filled with other inaccurate info . Idk who you are defending any more. What you ever say about me? I am certainly not referencin your act.

"Only JDB knows the truth and I believe him. He's not touched this thread has he? I haven't followed the beginning very much?"

JDB has posted twice in this thread and you posted on the 2nd page of this thread so thats pretty near to the beginning.

he's not touching the controversial subjects that I would. It would look bad. He made fun of me too, one time, in a public post. But never again . I am defending the effort of the beta crew and the inaccurate statements within this thread. Play it down....confuse it with my other babble , but it there and wrong and looks bad. I don't care if you don't feel it. I do.

"The false statements is what stuck out to me. I guess its perception. Maybe mines negative, but I bet on myself all time and believe there no wrong moves"

Again no specifics thus just your opinion about false statements. The first true thing you wrote, "I guess its perception" so you recognize that others may perceive things differently thus having differing opinions but then you ruin it by basically saying you are always right

no wrong s or rights humans are not computers and the end goal here is a better game. If you think I think I am right...most likely your wrong. Everything is a lie until it comes true. Only through hard work. What I might be implying is that I will work harder that you to get what i want.

"The brightest part is possible mfn1 recruitment...change is good and is a universal energy. Little point to fight it. Gentle communication gets effective results. I am working on that here."

Change is only as good as the change made. Changing from 4.3 to 4.4 wasnt good period. Change needs to be measured and tested before implementation. I can only imagine that changes in the code can have cascading effects on every aspect of the game. By simulating a season of 4.4 in beta before release, any decent owner would have seen the glaring flaws and put a stop to it. The change from 4.4 to 4.5 was good only because it was better then 4.4 but not necessarily better for the game as a whole. Yes thats my opinion but an opinion shared by others.

I am pretty sure we're all in agreement here. But that raises the real question of why both were released in the first place. Lack of beta participants . Hey your on....let us see what beta comes up with. I have put it all out there, and as I said we're in great positioning to move forward with a foundation for man . Goodluck guys!

This thread is doing more harm than good and should be locked.

IMHO, obviously.